【Rant】Anti Lesbian Fujo = Gold Star Lesbian 2.0
Wednesday, 18 December 2024 12:04![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
michifuguOke this is based on my post from tumblr, but I want to vent about it so bad and decided to share it here.
Like, do you guys also do this to gay men who like yuri or female pop stars, too? Do you also question this gay men sexuality or his gayness just because he obsessed with female characters/celebrity? Sorry but I see a lot double standard here, people always celebrate gay men when they're liking female pop stars or female characters as one of their own like SLAY KING or one of the girls! and yadaydada.
But somehow if Lesbian just liking fictional male characters shipping suddenly you guys need to interrogate them and condemn them as if, they're wolf in sheep's clothing. Like what makes this gay men who like female pop stars and lesbian liking fictional male characters that's so different that make you tilted so much, to the point you guys attacking women & even worse forcing queer women to ''prove'' her queerness. Are you sure you aren't being lesbophobic & misogynistic here?
I am annoyed at this people acting like they're just ''genuinely asking'' but then full mask off end up attacking women over asinine thing and most of the time because they're strangely being bitter toward Fujoshi somehow. Acting like lesbian fujoshi being some sort of traitor because they like BL instead of yuri feels insane to me. like come on, you guys aren't different like gold star lesbian who make snarky comment toward lesbians who sleep with men or used to be in relationship with men.
like, Nobody bats an eye when gay men don't like BL and not being a fudanshi, why suddenly it's an issue with lesbian being fujoshi/liking BL romances/not interested with yuri?
I smell something here
You don't know the people behind the screen, they could be using alt accounts dedicated to BL content, and it just so happens that they’re lesbian fujoshi (I know this because I am one, I have a separate account for BL coupling/shipping). Or maybe they do like yuri but just don’t show it because you don’t know them personally! Even if they’re not into yuri, why is that a problem? It doesn’t mean they’re lesbophobic. Is it mandatory for lesbians to like yuri? Not all lesbians enjoy the romance genre or feel invested in it.
Liking yuri isn’t even a good indicator of whether someone is actually lesbian or not. There are straight, bisexual, and asexual women who like yuri. There are also men, as well as nonbinary or genderqueer people, who enjoy yuri. Also, there's plenty of yuri who aren't aimed at lesbian, just like how there's plenty of BL not aimed at gay men. I know a lot of lesbians who aren't interested with yuri simply because they don't like romance genre (including BL & M/F) like...are their lesbian card being revoked now, lol.
I feel insane because whenever some lesbian just saying they aren't interested with yuri or don't really engage with it, it gets so much backlash compared to gay men who're saying they hate BL & outright mocking BL. like what is this double standard? Why people being lax if gay men say they don't like BL but when lesbian not reading yuri suddenly she's a traitor and need her lesbianism to be interrogated???? Please explain this to me.
''But it still weird, why do lesbians liking BL"
Have you ever thought that, maybe, some lesbians just appreciate any kinds of gay romances? Or whatever their reasons isn't none of your business? It really doesn't matter what's their taste on media, it doesn't always reflect to their real life identity-in this case, their sexuality.
Or maybe because some Yuri works depicting lesbian romance might feel too personal for them, because I know some plenty of lesbians who feels they unconsciously cannot stop inserting/projecting their personal experiences to works that focused on lesbian romances & it just makes it harder to enjoying it, despite they don't hate yuri & liking yuri to some extent.
And no, it isn’t always due to internalized lesbophobia reasons, even if that can be one of the reasons. Some queer people might have different perceptions of media that portrays queerness because it is very personal to them. It can be feelings of euphoria or be perceived negatively, depending on the individual, as each queer person has different experiences. You cannot assume that just because some queer people avoid certain queer works for personal reasons, it means they have internalized queerphobia ,therefore, that they are bad and need to 'fix' their mindset, you just sound like an unsympathetic prick.
I know a lot of gay men who won't read BL because they feel it's too personal for them, I know a lot of trans people who won't read a lot of trans media because they might be projecting themselves too hard due of their experiences and this isn't even uniquely to queer people even cis het people also tend to avoid certain genre or media if it's happen too personal for their experiences and identity. So why that's issue whenever women or queer women avoiding certain media because of personal reasons because of their experiences and identity? Like this shit doesn't affect you & criticizing them certainly won't make them read yuri. They already not interested, so why bother making a big deal out of it? Do you guys also did this toward men that they need to read BL?
Regardless of the reasons, why does it matter to you? Why you feel like its personal attack if some people not interested with your favorite media/genre.
Again, Lesbian aren't a monolith. They're person with different minds, preferences and interests lol. They're allowed to be a fujoshi if they want to. Likewise, they will read yuri if they want to. And not all lesbian makes ''I consume media'' as their entire personality! They're just people who have different hobbies & interests!
And I notice this trends tend to be.....end up with people (who questioning lesbian fujoshi) to making up worse assumption of them in order to defend their favorite fictional female characters or AO3 statistics, lol. In the end, it just shitty fandom discourse all over again!
It's just an annoying trend of zoomer using faux-feminism & queer academic language just to get angry over asinine things because they're salty their favorite valid media/characters aren't popular. And of course always attacking women despite they claim to be feminist, hmmm.
I swear, I never see this people like being critical to men but always being hypercritical toward women (especially fujoshi who just...mind their own business most of the time)
like I am sure we can have good discussion about this, but I don't trust ANY people on that hellhole site with poor reading comprehension and mob mentality for having this type of discussion on good faiths, especially not when it always ends up they're just crying over AO3 F/F statistics again.
Also, I never, take any people who are using ''women who centering their lives around men'' seriously, and I will just think of them as mini radfem/TERF because anyone who tend to use that talking point unironically end up being more insane toward their fellow women, more sexist & just one step away to call women as ''useless foid who worship men" just because they like fictional anime boy or boy bands. Not surprised if they unconsciously agree with trans women are invading women spaces or their ideology aligned with Rowling without they realized it.
Another note, Not everything in these worlds is makes sense and sometime everything can be contradictory. you might think lesbian fujoshi or lesbian who likes BL are contradictory with their sexuality/identity but that just how...the world is & it doesn't matter, at the end of the day.
Yes, I defend my fellow lesbian fujoshi, even to any 2D male-likers fangirl out there because I defend their right to be horny & do whatever they want. let women have hobbies.
"b-but they're centering men!"
who gives a fuck? They're just liking anime boys, not real men & even if they like real men, who the fuck cares? It's harmless and NO they aren't contributing to misogyny or whatever performative fake-ass feminism bs you throw. You're just a bitter, salty, and miserable person who hates seeing women enjoying themselves. For all your claims of supporting women and feminism, you guys sure seem to prefer prioritizing fictional women over real women (who are actively subjected to patriarchy) and constantly attack women! Maybe before trying to bash lesbian fujoshis or accusing fujoshi of having internalized sexism, you should check your internalized misogyny, first. Are you sure you’re not having some sort of internalized hatred toward women? Because you all won’t stop mocking and attacking women over their harmless hobbies. Lol.
Lastly, You feel happier for not thinking too much about it & focus on stuff you likes. just look at this 🫃preggo man emoji. also Lesbian fujoshi most likely have fucked more women than zoomer himejo E-dating with their little ERP discord mutual lol.I'm on bad mood here & I just want to fucking vent.
another rant: I never forget, when I'm arguing with someone on twitter because I'm defending Fujo/yume, I got called as ''male-centric nasty fujo" in qrt, despite it took 5 seconds to look at my twitter account that I mostly retweet anime girls tit and girls lezzing out being pussy muncher. no, I'm still not get over this. I'm defending women & somehow I'm male centric? I'm already having mahoako headers & qt anime girl icon, mostly RT sexy anime girls art, like I am still male centric for defending fujoshi???
I swear anti fujos or mini-radfem ''fujoshi/yume are bad because they're centering their lives around men" lesbian tend to be more obsessed thinking about men in their head 24/7 than freakin' straight women & gay men..
I'm sure im not the only crazy enough who think this recent wave of online discourse on Twitter of ''why do lesbian likes yaoi or become fujoshi?'' are just repackaged Gold Star Lesbian right.....
Like, this discourse is always framed with statements like, ''I'm genuinely asking, why do lesbians become fujoshi? Girl, what are you getting out of watching 2 men having homosexual sex?'' and then it veers into Gold Star lesbian rhetoric or polilez Kool-Aid, attempting to ''question'' lesbian fujoshi sexuality and whether they are 'true lesbians' or 'not lesbian enough.' This is often justified, attacking lesbian fujoshi with the excuse that they are ''centering their sexuality or interests around men'' (wtf?)
Like, do you guys also do this to gay men who like yuri or female pop stars, too? Do you also question this gay men sexuality or his gayness just because he obsessed with female characters/celebrity? Sorry but I see a lot double standard here, people always celebrate gay men when they're liking female pop stars or female characters as one of their own like SLAY KING or one of the girls! and yadaydada.
But somehow if Lesbian just liking fictional male characters shipping suddenly you guys need to interrogate them and condemn them as if, they're wolf in sheep's clothing. Like what makes this gay men who like female pop stars and lesbian liking fictional male characters that's so different that make you tilted so much, to the point you guys attacking women & even worse forcing queer women to ''prove'' her queerness. Are you sure you aren't being lesbophobic & misogynistic here?
I am annoyed at this people acting like they're just ''genuinely asking'' but then full mask off end up attacking women over asinine thing and most of the time because they're strangely being bitter toward Fujoshi somehow. Acting like lesbian fujoshi being some sort of traitor because they like BL instead of yuri feels insane to me. like come on, you guys aren't different like gold star lesbian who make snarky comment toward lesbians who sleep with men or used to be in relationship with men.
like, Nobody bats an eye when gay men don't like BL and not being a fudanshi, why suddenly it's an issue with lesbian being fujoshi/liking BL romances/not interested with yuri?
I smell something here
You don't know the people behind the screen, they could be using alt accounts dedicated to BL content, and it just so happens that they’re lesbian fujoshi (I know this because I am one, I have a separate account for BL coupling/shipping). Or maybe they do like yuri but just don’t show it because you don’t know them personally! Even if they’re not into yuri, why is that a problem? It doesn’t mean they’re lesbophobic. Is it mandatory for lesbians to like yuri? Not all lesbians enjoy the romance genre or feel invested in it.
Liking yuri isn’t even a good indicator of whether someone is actually lesbian or not. There are straight, bisexual, and asexual women who like yuri. There are also men, as well as nonbinary or genderqueer people, who enjoy yuri. Also, there's plenty of yuri who aren't aimed at lesbian, just like how there's plenty of BL not aimed at gay men. I know a lot of lesbians who aren't interested with yuri simply because they don't like romance genre (including BL & M/F) like...are their lesbian card being revoked now, lol.
I feel insane because whenever some lesbian just saying they aren't interested with yuri or don't really engage with it, it gets so much backlash compared to gay men who're saying they hate BL & outright mocking BL. like what is this double standard? Why people being lax if gay men say they don't like BL but when lesbian not reading yuri suddenly she's a traitor and need her lesbianism to be interrogated???? Please explain this to me.
''But it still weird, why do lesbians liking BL"
Have you ever thought that, maybe, some lesbians just appreciate any kinds of gay romances? Or whatever their reasons isn't none of your business? It really doesn't matter what's their taste on media, it doesn't always reflect to their real life identity-in this case, their sexuality.
Or maybe because some Yuri works depicting lesbian romance might feel too personal for them, because I know some plenty of lesbians who feels they unconsciously cannot stop inserting/projecting their personal experiences to works that focused on lesbian romances & it just makes it harder to enjoying it, despite they don't hate yuri & liking yuri to some extent.
And no, it isn’t always due to internalized lesbophobia reasons, even if that can be one of the reasons. Some queer people might have different perceptions of media that portrays queerness because it is very personal to them. It can be feelings of euphoria or be perceived negatively, depending on the individual, as each queer person has different experiences. You cannot assume that just because some queer people avoid certain queer works for personal reasons, it means they have internalized queerphobia ,therefore, that they are bad and need to 'fix' their mindset, you just sound like an unsympathetic prick.
I know a lot of gay men who won't read BL because they feel it's too personal for them, I know a lot of trans people who won't read a lot of trans media because they might be projecting themselves too hard due of their experiences and this isn't even uniquely to queer people even cis het people also tend to avoid certain genre or media if it's happen too personal for their experiences and identity. So why that's issue whenever women or queer women avoiding certain media because of personal reasons because of their experiences and identity? Like this shit doesn't affect you & criticizing them certainly won't make them read yuri. They already not interested, so why bother making a big deal out of it? Do you guys also did this toward men that they need to read BL?
Regardless of the reasons, why does it matter to you? Why you feel like its personal attack if some people not interested with your favorite media/genre.
Again, Lesbian aren't a monolith. They're person with different minds, preferences and interests lol. They're allowed to be a fujoshi if they want to. Likewise, they will read yuri if they want to. And not all lesbian makes ''I consume media'' as their entire personality! They're just people who have different hobbies & interests!
And I notice this trends tend to be.....end up with people (who questioning lesbian fujoshi) to making up worse assumption of them in order to defend their favorite fictional female characters or AO3 statistics, lol. In the end, it just shitty fandom discourse all over again!
It's just an annoying trend of zoomer using faux-feminism & queer academic language just to get angry over asinine things because they're salty their favorite valid media/characters aren't popular. And of course always attacking women despite they claim to be feminist, hmmm.
I swear, I never see this people like being critical to men but always being hypercritical toward women (especially fujoshi who just...mind their own business most of the time)
like I am sure we can have good discussion about this, but I don't trust ANY people on that hellhole site with poor reading comprehension and mob mentality for having this type of discussion on good faiths, especially not when it always ends up they're just crying over AO3 F/F statistics again.
Also, I never, take any people who are using ''women who centering their lives around men'' seriously, and I will just think of them as mini radfem/TERF because anyone who tend to use that talking point unironically end up being more insane toward their fellow women, more sexist & just one step away to call women as ''useless foid who worship men" just because they like fictional anime boy or boy bands. Not surprised if they unconsciously agree with trans women are invading women spaces or their ideology aligned with Rowling without they realized it.
Another note, Not everything in these worlds is makes sense and sometime everything can be contradictory. you might think lesbian fujoshi or lesbian who likes BL are contradictory with their sexuality/identity but that just how...the world is & it doesn't matter, at the end of the day.
Yes, I defend my fellow lesbian fujoshi, even to any 2D male-likers fangirl out there because I defend their right to be horny & do whatever they want. let women have hobbies.
"b-but they're centering men!"
who gives a fuck? They're just liking anime boys, not real men & even if they like real men, who the fuck cares? It's harmless and NO they aren't contributing to misogyny or whatever performative fake-ass feminism bs you throw. You're just a bitter, salty, and miserable person who hates seeing women enjoying themselves. For all your claims of supporting women and feminism, you guys sure seem to prefer prioritizing fictional women over real women (who are actively subjected to patriarchy) and constantly attack women! Maybe before trying to bash lesbian fujoshis or accusing fujoshi of having internalized sexism, you should check your internalized misogyny, first. Are you sure you’re not having some sort of internalized hatred toward women? Because you all won’t stop mocking and attacking women over their harmless hobbies. Lol.
Lastly, You feel happier for not thinking too much about it & focus on stuff you likes. just look at this 🫃preggo man emoji. also Lesbian fujoshi most likely have fucked more women than zoomer himejo E-dating with their little ERP discord mutual lol.I'm on bad mood here & I just want to fucking vent.
another rant: I never forget, when I'm arguing with someone on twitter because I'm defending Fujo/yume, I got called as ''male-centric nasty fujo" in qrt, despite it took 5 seconds to look at my twitter account that I mostly retweet anime girls tit and girls lezzing out being pussy muncher. no, I'm still not get over this. I'm defending women & somehow I'm male centric? I'm already having mahoako headers & qt anime girl icon, mostly RT sexy anime girls art, like I am still male centric for defending fujoshi???
I swear anti fujos or mini-radfem ''fujoshi/yume are bad because they're centering their lives around men" lesbian tend to be more obsessed thinking about men in their head 24/7 than freakin' straight women & gay men.
